Yes, we use the system we have, obviously. Any system is imperfect. They depend on the honor, character, and decency of participants. Read Nixon’s speech as VP, conceding the 1960 election. Watch Gore certify his own defeat by a margin of 500 votes in one state in 2000. This was our heritage, until 2020. 2020 showed us Don’s character. The 2024 campaign has shown us JD’s-he’s openly said he would not have certified the 2020 election. They have told us their views. Openly. On video. Believe them. Those videos will one day be watched by our children and grandchildren, who may one day ask us where WE stood. This election isn’t about tax or regulatory reforms, tariffs, or any similar mundane issues. It’s about the issues that Don’s former high command, his own appointees, have warned us about. Believe them as well. Choose wisely. Good luck America.
Nice try but Gore fought certification to the bitter end at the Supreme Court and Nixon at least shopped the idea around. Some Democrats also opposed certification in 2004 and 2016.
Legal challenges are appropriate. The difference is, Gore abided by the result. Don lost 60 times yet lies to this day. Pence did the right thing, that’s why JD is now the nominee. Don is guilty of the worst act ever committed by a US president. JD agrees with him… Country over party.
Funny you’d bring that up, Biden presided over that vote, and gaveled the objections down. I choose to believe Don’s administration appointees, the judges he appointed, and his vice president. Others may choose to believe Don’s wacky conspiracy theories, Rudy, Sydney Powell et al. After all, some people think Sasquatch actually exists, reality doesn’t always break through.
A comment about the Broken Ballots article you linked. The recent statement by Bezos about the non-endorsement got a lot of attention but most people seem to have overlooked the metaphor he used. It was voting machines. He said they have to count fairly and be believed to count fairly and that these are separate and necessary conditions.
I had to paraphrase because this the MSM, even the foreign media, buried this second part except for the Post itself which is paywalled. I don't have a clue whether the machines count fairly and neither does anyone else because the needed audits were never done. The resistance to audits does make me suspicious. But it is patently obvious that the second condition has not been met. This used to be a Democrat thing (remember Diebold) as it was up until about 2 weeks before the 2020 election when Elizabeth Warren was worrying out loud about it. Now it is Republicans. An incident in Kentucky (verified by county election officials) where a machine repeatedly changed Trump votes to Harris is going to feed the suspicions.
Conspiracy theories indeed run rampant. Look at the largest MSM operation, Fox, their lies cost them $787 million just in the first round:) I suspect that after 4 years, Don would have let us know if there was a shred of evidence to back up his conspiracies. Then again, Rudy and Sydney Powell may still be hot on the trail…though both have been disbarred and/or sanctioned by their own legal profession for echoing Dons lies. I always found it interesting that the other (Congressional, Senate, local) Rs on the same ballots never parroted Don’s lies regarding their own election. Perhaps the brown people Don “fingered” were split ticket voters? Dons own administration, the one he promised to staff with “the best people” declared 2020 the most secure election ever. His own staff from the AG and Homeland Security Secretary on down told him repeatedly he had lost. They said these things publicly, on video. Yet he lies to this day. Now JD, after calling Don “Americas Hitler”, “cultural heroin”, “reprehensible”, and a “moral disaster”, has joined the cult. What thinking person could support such people? Shame on them. Country over party.
You're right, conspiracy theories run rampant. How many times did we hear how Trump colluded with Russia only for it to be a conspiracy run by Hillary's cronies.
I was actually going to read the NYT article on your recommendation, but paywall. I will note that the problem with Arizona is Maricopa County and it is the dead hand of John McCain causing it. In addition to slowing the count, the authorities there have made it difficult and frightening to vote. Barriers and heavy police presence, including snipers. (I listen to NPR so you don't have to.) All to protect Republican office holders from their own supporters.
Yes, we use the system we have, obviously. Any system is imperfect. They depend on the honor, character, and decency of participants. Read Nixon’s speech as VP, conceding the 1960 election. Watch Gore certify his own defeat by a margin of 500 votes in one state in 2000. This was our heritage, until 2020. 2020 showed us Don’s character. The 2024 campaign has shown us JD’s-he’s openly said he would not have certified the 2020 election. They have told us their views. Openly. On video. Believe them. Those videos will one day be watched by our children and grandchildren, who may one day ask us where WE stood. This election isn’t about tax or regulatory reforms, tariffs, or any similar mundane issues. It’s about the issues that Don’s former high command, his own appointees, have warned us about. Believe them as well. Choose wisely. Good luck America.
Nice try but Gore fought certification to the bitter end at the Supreme Court and Nixon at least shopped the idea around. Some Democrats also opposed certification in 2004 and 2016.
Legal challenges are appropriate. The difference is, Gore abided by the result. Don lost 60 times yet lies to this day. Pence did the right thing, that’s why JD is now the nominee. Don is guilty of the worst act ever committed by a US president. JD agrees with him… Country over party.
What are you talking about? Lots of Dems objected to the 2016 result. Trump was called an illegitimate POTUS by many including Hillary herself.
Funny you’d bring that up, Biden presided over that vote, and gaveled the objections down. I choose to believe Don’s administration appointees, the judges he appointed, and his vice president. Others may choose to believe Don’s wacky conspiracy theories, Rudy, Sydney Powell et al. After all, some people think Sasquatch actually exists, reality doesn’t always break through.
A comment about the Broken Ballots article you linked. The recent statement by Bezos about the non-endorsement got a lot of attention but most people seem to have overlooked the metaphor he used. It was voting machines. He said they have to count fairly and be believed to count fairly and that these are separate and necessary conditions.
I had to paraphrase because this the MSM, even the foreign media, buried this second part except for the Post itself which is paywalled. I don't have a clue whether the machines count fairly and neither does anyone else because the needed audits were never done. The resistance to audits does make me suspicious. But it is patently obvious that the second condition has not been met. This used to be a Democrat thing (remember Diebold) as it was up until about 2 weeks before the 2020 election when Elizabeth Warren was worrying out loud about it. Now it is Republicans. An incident in Kentucky (verified by county election officials) where a machine repeatedly changed Trump votes to Harris is going to feed the suspicions.
Conspiracy theories indeed run rampant. Look at the largest MSM operation, Fox, their lies cost them $787 million just in the first round:) I suspect that after 4 years, Don would have let us know if there was a shred of evidence to back up his conspiracies. Then again, Rudy and Sydney Powell may still be hot on the trail…though both have been disbarred and/or sanctioned by their own legal profession for echoing Dons lies. I always found it interesting that the other (Congressional, Senate, local) Rs on the same ballots never parroted Don’s lies regarding their own election. Perhaps the brown people Don “fingered” were split ticket voters? Dons own administration, the one he promised to staff with “the best people” declared 2020 the most secure election ever. His own staff from the AG and Homeland Security Secretary on down told him repeatedly he had lost. They said these things publicly, on video. Yet he lies to this day. Now JD, after calling Don “Americas Hitler”, “cultural heroin”, “reprehensible”, and a “moral disaster”, has joined the cult. What thinking person could support such people? Shame on them. Country over party.
You're right, conspiracy theories run rampant. How many times did we hear how Trump colluded with Russia only for it to be a conspiracy run by Hillary's cronies.
I was actually going to read the NYT article on your recommendation, but paywall. I will note that the problem with Arizona is Maricopa County and it is the dead hand of John McCain causing it. In addition to slowing the count, the authorities there have made it difficult and frightening to vote. Barriers and heavy police presence, including snipers. (I listen to NPR so you don't have to.) All to protect Republican office holders from their own supporters.