Here we go again. Oren raises a legitimate issue, immigration, and presents compelling arguments on one aspect of it, labor market impacts. He speaks of his fellow elite commentators being “badly disoriented”. He frets about their “dishonesty”. Well… Any such column that does not acknowledge, and condemn, Don and JD’s rhetoric on the topic is unserious. Disorienting. Don has gone far beyond his broken promise to build a wall that Mexico would pay for. He’s raised the prospect of shooting immigrants. He’s used terms such as “infestation”, “invasion”, and “blood thirsty”. He’s said immigrants have “bad genes” and are genetically pre-disposed to murder. Their pet eating lies led to school closures and bomb threats. I could go on. And on. But as with all of Don’s most disgusting utterances, it’s all on video for anyone interested. These comments are beyond abjectly stupid and ignorant. They’re dangerous and racist. They’re embarrassing for our country. We all have a responsibility to condemn them, if we’re serious.
I can probably be accused of romanticizing the past, but the notion of the United States as a "nation of immigrants" and a "land of opportunity" has always been highly resonant for me, as have the mythic images of Ellis Island and media like An American Tail. Of course, the way that our immigration and border has been managed over the past decade (decades?) has been a disgrace, and drastic steps are surely called for, but are we at risk of cutting off our nose to spite our face?
My brother is a project manager for a sizable construction company in Texas. I asked him what would be the impact of mass deportation of immigrants, and his answer was that essentially all work would immediately stop. I tried to push back with the usual idea that they would just need to increase wages for labor, and that maybe regulatory reform would be needed so that instead of spending millions on regulatory compliance they could spend that money on wages for workers, and he informed me that it's not at all uncommon for workers on his sites to be making over six figure salaries already. Granted, it is not the unskilled day laborers making that money, but it's the skilled labor, of which there just is not enough native-born to do the work.
I, myself, am a teacher and first first-hand familiarity with the failures of our educational system to steer students toward career pathways and training that would suit them. So this is a very complex problem to solve, which is certainly going to take time, and in the meantime, I don't know of any other way to address the need for skilled labor than immigration. I would love to see what an "American Compass Plan to Provide Industry with the Labor it Needs" would look like.
This reminds me of an anecdote I read about in the wake of Katrina, when there was a lot of rebuilding going on in the New Orleans area. An African American carpenter looking for work went up to the foreman on a job site and asked him why he was only hiring Mexican immigrants, many of them possibly illegal. The reason, the foreman replied, was because they were the only ones willing to sleep out on the ground at night.
If we actually limit immigration, we need to also limit the flow of capital into our country. If we limit emigration, we should also limit the flow of capital out. The free market only works in any given situation if all the players in that dynamic must follow the same rules. American business is so used to "having its labor and eating it too" thanks to both Democratic and Republican neo-liberal NON oversight, they believe they are entitled to perpetual growth (the philosophy of a cancer cell btw) in sales AND marginal profit. Hence flows: a massive income gap, monopolies, consolidation, too big to fail bail outs, shortages, inflation, unemployment, the opioid crises, systemic racism, identity politics, pollution, GLOBAL WARMING, etc.
The US economy is being run like the Soviet Union's was. The difference is how the five year plans are being made by the managers of the top public traded companies, private equity firms, venture capitalists, energy conglomerates, etc. Its an unending game of musical chairs with music by the Fed. where labor and small businesses are always the ones left standing when the music stops.
American companies have over seen the destruction, extortion, depletion, stagnation and de-democratization of Latin American economies for decades. We broke it, we bought immigrants.
Economics aside, why should capital be more 'free' to move about than labor? Does that seem fair to you?
We should have a better misery index. We do have something but it's aggregated at such a high level as to be meaningless. When I read that visits to our Rochester NY food pantry had jumped 30% this year, I knew the Democrats had lost.
Not only does low skill migrants hurt low skill native born Americans but higher skilled migrants also exert downward pressure on wages of higher skilled native born Americans. Perhaps it is time we reconsider the H1B visa program.
Here we go again. Oren raises a legitimate issue, immigration, and presents compelling arguments on one aspect of it, labor market impacts. He speaks of his fellow elite commentators being “badly disoriented”. He frets about their “dishonesty”. Well… Any such column that does not acknowledge, and condemn, Don and JD’s rhetoric on the topic is unserious. Disorienting. Don has gone far beyond his broken promise to build a wall that Mexico would pay for. He’s raised the prospect of shooting immigrants. He’s used terms such as “infestation”, “invasion”, and “blood thirsty”. He’s said immigrants have “bad genes” and are genetically pre-disposed to murder. Their pet eating lies led to school closures and bomb threats. I could go on. And on. But as with all of Don’s most disgusting utterances, it’s all on video for anyone interested. These comments are beyond abjectly stupid and ignorant. They’re dangerous and racist. They’re embarrassing for our country. We all have a responsibility to condemn them, if we’re serious.
I can probably be accused of romanticizing the past, but the notion of the United States as a "nation of immigrants" and a "land of opportunity" has always been highly resonant for me, as have the mythic images of Ellis Island and media like An American Tail. Of course, the way that our immigration and border has been managed over the past decade (decades?) has been a disgrace, and drastic steps are surely called for, but are we at risk of cutting off our nose to spite our face?
My brother is a project manager for a sizable construction company in Texas. I asked him what would be the impact of mass deportation of immigrants, and his answer was that essentially all work would immediately stop. I tried to push back with the usual idea that they would just need to increase wages for labor, and that maybe regulatory reform would be needed so that instead of spending millions on regulatory compliance they could spend that money on wages for workers, and he informed me that it's not at all uncommon for workers on his sites to be making over six figure salaries already. Granted, it is not the unskilled day laborers making that money, but it's the skilled labor, of which there just is not enough native-born to do the work.
I, myself, am a teacher and first first-hand familiarity with the failures of our educational system to steer students toward career pathways and training that would suit them. So this is a very complex problem to solve, which is certainly going to take time, and in the meantime, I don't know of any other way to address the need for skilled labor than immigration. I would love to see what an "American Compass Plan to Provide Industry with the Labor it Needs" would look like.
omg the trolls are our again. Oren, your a patient man, i commend you. To have to listen to some of your feedback wow
This reminds me of an anecdote I read about in the wake of Katrina, when there was a lot of rebuilding going on in the New Orleans area. An African American carpenter looking for work went up to the foreman on a job site and asked him why he was only hiring Mexican immigrants, many of them possibly illegal. The reason, the foreman replied, was because they were the only ones willing to sleep out on the ground at night.
If we actually limit immigration, we need to also limit the flow of capital into our country. If we limit emigration, we should also limit the flow of capital out. The free market only works in any given situation if all the players in that dynamic must follow the same rules. American business is so used to "having its labor and eating it too" thanks to both Democratic and Republican neo-liberal NON oversight, they believe they are entitled to perpetual growth (the philosophy of a cancer cell btw) in sales AND marginal profit. Hence flows: a massive income gap, monopolies, consolidation, too big to fail bail outs, shortages, inflation, unemployment, the opioid crises, systemic racism, identity politics, pollution, GLOBAL WARMING, etc.
The US economy is being run like the Soviet Union's was. The difference is how the five year plans are being made by the managers of the top public traded companies, private equity firms, venture capitalists, energy conglomerates, etc. Its an unending game of musical chairs with music by the Fed. where labor and small businesses are always the ones left standing when the music stops.
American companies have over seen the destruction, extortion, depletion, stagnation and de-democratization of Latin American economies for decades. We broke it, we bought immigrants.
Economics aside, why should capital be more 'free' to move about than labor? Does that seem fair to you?
We should have a better misery index. We do have something but it's aggregated at such a high level as to be meaningless. When I read that visits to our Rochester NY food pantry had jumped 30% this year, I knew the Democrats had lost.
Not only does low skill migrants hurt low skill native born Americans but higher skilled migrants also exert downward pressure on wages of higher skilled native born Americans. Perhaps it is time we reconsider the H1B visa program.